Diesel for sale in the US

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 04/19/2016 at 13:32 • Filed to: Diesel, wastes of time

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Just for fun I thought I would see if I could track down all the non-VAG diesels* for sale in the US in 2016 along with who actually makes the motor.

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There are (more or less) 14 Diesel engines in the light/medium duty market or thoseSo here is the breakdown

2 are US made

3 are Italian (VM Motori was owned by GM/Fiat now entirely FCA)

4 are German made

3 were designed in the UK

and 2 were joint projects between US domestic makes (GM and Ford) and foreign firms (AVL/Isuzu)

For engine configuration:

5 I4

1 I5

2 I6

4 V6

3 V8

Quite a variety if you ask me.

Half of these engines are “Heavy Duty” only, which is a less stringent emissions category. This includes trucks with a GVWR of 8501 lbs or more like the Titan XD, Ford Super Duty, Ram/GM 2500/3500, and heavy cargo vans (passenger or cargo) like the Transit and sprinter. With the case of the vans, even though the engines are small, they are NOT certified for use in light trucks or passenger vehicles.

Now I will say that many of these engines that started life as foreign engines (to US markets) have been substantially reworked for US emissions and NVH standards. In the case of the Canyorado, for example, there has been a lot of emissions, and NVH work done by GM in addition to the base motor.

It should also be noted that many of these are global engines with design happening one place, with support from another and manufactured in another entirely.

*excluded until all their VW/Audi/Porsche engines are clear and free

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:34

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This includes trucks with a GVWR of 8501 lbs or more like the Titan XD, Ford Super Duty

I’M SORRY WHAT.

LITERALLY UNTIL NOW I THOUGHT THAT A 2 TON CAR WAS REALLY HEAVY. They’re like freaking planets on wheels. (And very often gross chrome wheels.)

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 04/19/2016 at 13:38

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Are you looking at curb weight or the GVWR? Those are vastly different. I’d be willing to bet that you are looking at curb weight.

I did a Google for “Nissan Titan XD GVWR” and got 8,600 to 8,990lbs. Which is in line with it being in the next EPA class.

For reference, my Silverado’s GVWR is 9,200lbs. Mainly so that in some states, it doesn’t trigger additional licensing fees by having a GVWR over 10K.

djmt1 > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:38

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I thought Land Rover were selling diesels stateside.

jimz > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 04/19/2016 at 13:38

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GVWR is GROSS vehicle weight rating. It’s the maximum safe weight of the truck plus passengers plus cargo. You’re looking at the “curb weight,” the weight of an unloaded, unoccupied truck with all fluids and a full tank of fuel. Trucks with a GVWR of over 8,500 lbs are exempt from EPA/CAFE fuel economy standards (which is why you never see MPG ratings on their window stickers) and I think get to play under slightly looser emissions standards.

HammerheadFistpunch > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 04/19/2016 at 13:39

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The Titan XD was intentionally made heavy so that it could:

a. accommodate the 5.0 cummins

b. Skirt the tougher 2a emissions regs that engine wouldn’t have a prayer of meeting.

Which is why they are in this strange middle ground between half ton and three quarter ton, its also why they are offering a regular non-XD Titan. Seems like a bone headed move to me.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 04/19/2016 at 13:39

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Oh no I wasn’t correcting him or anything, I just found the first weight I saw for that car. Until I read that I never would’ve IMAGINED a CATEGORY for cars that weighed THAT MUCH.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:40

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Why is it Irish

HammerheadFistpunch > djmt1 04/19/2016 at 13:40

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Dagnabbit...you are right! I knew I would miss at least one.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:41

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BMW makes V6's?

It should be the 535d with a Straight 6

Also I thought ISUZU made the duramax 4

jimz > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:42

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the only mild nitpick I’d bring up is where you use the term “manufacture.” The 3.2 Powerstroke in the Transit was designed in the UK, but is manufactured in South Africa. The 6.7 was designed by Ford North America with Ford of Europe and AVL consulting, but is manufactured in Mexico.

HammerheadFistpunch > For Sweden 04/19/2016 at 13:43

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bad light. I fixed.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:43

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Also, don’t forget the Jaguar XE!

2.0L 180HP I4.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:44

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But the flag is still Irish

Party-vi > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:45

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I didn’t know BMW was making V6 engines...

HammerheadFistpunch > For Sweden 04/19/2016 at 13:46

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not anymore it aint.

HammerheadFistpunch > Flyboy is FAA certified insane 04/19/2016 at 13:47

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Fixed the I6, no VM motori makes the 2.8

HammerheadFistpunch > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 04/19/2016 at 13:47

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Yeah, forgot about Jag/LR, will update after lunch.

HammerheadFistpunch > Party-vi 04/19/2016 at 13:48

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yeah, slip-o-the fingers, fixed now.

Party-vi > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:52

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I SMELL A COVER UP! GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION ON BMW AND AMC JEEP V6 ENGINES!!!

HammerheadFistpunch > Party-vi 04/19/2016 at 13:53

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Well “cover up" is a phrase I hear a lot personally...I wouldn’t put it past me

HammerheadFistpunch > jimz 04/19/2016 at 13:57

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Fair point, “country of origin” might be a more appropriate term

MultiplaOrgasms > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 13:58

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Yeesh VM still makes that bloody R428. I remember the Jeep Liberty from 15 years ago already had that engine.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 14:03

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My comment is more philosophical in nature. I’ve owned a few VW diesels from the late 70s/early 80s. I worked on them, too. When California switched to un-sulphurated diesel fuel, my injector pump failed and I replaced it — myself — and saved my receipt for something like two years, then got my $300 back from the state. I also owned an ‘84 Jetta turbodiesel that I would probably still be driving except some clown hit it. (I got $1,000 cash from him and $500 for the hulk because some guy wanted the engine.)

By brother-in-law was a manager for a California city up north and he was responsible for the city’s fleet, including all of the horse-piss-consuming ecodiesels. Those latter were a debacle and the city decided it would no longer buy any diesel-engined fleet vehicles. (That city was also forced to scrap all of its dependable, non-horse-piss-consuming diesel-powered vehicles...)

Diesel seemed like a good thing at one time, but now I am skeptical. You get more energy content per unit volume of diesel over gasoline, but you pay more per gallon over gasoline, and you also get a much different mix of particulates and waste gases. So for automotive applications, at least, I’m not sure diesel makes much sense.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 14:04

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My neighbor has an early Duramax-engined truck with 200+ thousand miles and he’s on something like his fifth set of injectors.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 14:07

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Interesting. GM is buying is engine from Fiat

BigBlock440 > Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna 04/19/2016 at 14:12

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Well, they’re not cars. You’d be looking at Bentley or Rolls-Royce for cars that weighed that much.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 14:26

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for Passenger cars, I tend to agree. However for heavy loaded applications Diesel’s stoikiometry and torque characteristics are ideal for that application.

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 14:30

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The GLE (formerly known as ML) also has the 2.1L available

Mach-inator > jimz 04/19/2016 at 14:31

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That 2.8L Duramax is also an odd-ball. Designed by VM Motori, with the head modified by GM to get the jake brake, and assembled in Thailand.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 15:09

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What sort of work do you do?

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 15:13

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not car related. I change colored lights on a screen

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 15:34

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I had a job doing that once.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 15:36

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And now?

450X_FTW > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 15:44

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Makes me wonder, had Dieselgate happened back when the Chevy Cruze diesel was an option in the US, would the Chevy sales not have slumped so badly and still be on sale today?

450X_FTW > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 15:44

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Still waiting to test drive a Colorado diesel so I can decide if I can buy one. Looks like everything around me in SE Michigan are diesels that are already spoken for.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 15:46

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I teach Pre-Algebra to 12-year-olds.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 16:43

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Curious as to why you ask? (I produce videos, BTW)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 17:06

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I really enjoy interacting with you and some of the others here. As a teacher, I am always curious about what others do. Your comments here are always well informed and well composed and fun. As it happens, I have a couple of burning questions about some techniques I’ve seen in a couple of videos and I’d like to figure out how they were done.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 17:09

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fire away

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/19/2016 at 17:54

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hope you don’t mind, I dismissed your last comment just to remove your email address.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > HammerheadFistpunch 04/19/2016 at 18:49

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Where’s the other I6? Just the 6.7 Cummins per your list, but you say there are two.